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Title: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: travolter on October 30, 2011, 05:28:20 PM
I use XP-SP1. Each time I load an AVI file into solveigg splitter the program freeze in the avi loading process. I notice that its an issue of XPSP1 because its working perfectly in XPsp2/3.

I really need to use XPSP1 because I can use all my 4GB ram using PAE. In XPSP2 the PAE limit is 3gb.

I tried to install all kind of codec packs and splitter.. but maybe the problem is that default Microsoft AVIsplitter is always used by default in certain programs like solveig.

Same avi videos that freeze solveiggmm splitter also freeze video players as wmplayer or potplayer.
Using potplayer I solved the problem using the internal-potplayer-avi splitter, instead the system default one.

I tried installing matroska splitter to decode AVIs and avoid use the Microsoft avi splitter.. but Im not able to set it as prefered one in my system.

Any Microsoft AVI splitter update from XPsp1 to sp2 is avaible? maybe something missing?

Sorry if This is totally offtopic, but you are truly experts and I dont know other sources to ask.
Thanks friends.
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: Hypercam_fan on October 30, 2011, 06:58:21 PM
Hello Travolter,

This is a bit above my skills level but... Dmitry or Olga should be able to help you with this problem.

Please check back here on Monday or when you have the chance during the week as I don't think Dmitry or Olga work weekends.
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: Olga Krovyakova on October 31, 2011, 03:44:47 PM
Hello Travolter,

Unfortunately we have not sollution for this problem at present time.

I have asked Microsoft to help us with this it.

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsdirectshowdevelopment/thread/0f948a79-b61f-482f-8566-c3949280f7d3 (http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsdirectshowdevelopment/thread/0f948a79-b61f-482f-8566-c3949280f7d3)

Hope they will help to find the way to prevent this freezing.
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: travolter on November 01, 2011, 05:48:29 AM
thanks for the help Olga.. lets hope that MS guys will have an easy fix.. (and not the common reply: XPsp1 is very old.. upgrade to sp3 or 7!) (I hate these OSes because they killed PAE)

I did a lot of things to solve.. install codecs.. splitters.. but thats not the problem.
I tried to replace the quartz.dll file ( MS avi splitter) by the one of xpsp2 or xpsp3.. but problem continue.

As workaround..
If I unregister quart.dll... I cannt play avi files. There is any way to use a 3rd party splitter as default one instead this MS quart.dll one?
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: Olga Krovyakova on November 02, 2011, 02:58:16 PM
Hello Travolter,

> There is any way to use a 3rd party splitter as default one instead this MS quart.dll one?

Thanks you for your question. Unfortunately it is not possible.

Could you please let us know the "quartz.dll" version?
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: Stanislav Mikhailenko on November 03, 2011, 01:25:19 PM
Hello Travolter,

I have install winxp sp1 on test machine and didn't noticed this problem. So i am sure the problem is not with XP's avi splitter.

Could you provide links for codecs you have installed on the system? 
Because as i know latest builds of ffdshow and K-Lite requires winxp sp2.

I need to get more information about the system, please, follow instructions in archive.
smm.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9992211/smm.zip)

Looking forward reply from you
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: travolter on November 05, 2011, 06:23:50 AM
Hi Stanislav.. I did the tests. Here the results:
http://www.mediafire.com/?49tu322nsv2kp1x

Thanks a lot for your time creating the package.
Lets hope that you will find a clue to solve the problem. As you noticed in the reply of M$ they do not have other arguments than "Use Windows 7"

thanks for the help

edit.- forgot to mention that I always use an old ffdshow version that its stable for my programs.. I didnt need update yet. About Klite I never needed it. Always all video programs were running fine when I used xpsp2/3 + ffdshow codec. xpsp1 is really a mystery. I used Klite old packages 2008/9 or so.. but they didnt solved the problem.. and avi files containing old XVID codecs or similar really dont need the lastest 2011 releases.
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: travolter on November 05, 2011, 03:15:53 PM
Olga, sorry I forgot the version of quartz.dll: 6.51.902 ( I tested also unregistering and replacing and registeringusing versions from XPsp2 and XPsp3)

About ffdshow : version 3356_20100411_sse_icl11
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: Stanislav Mikhailenko on November 07, 2011, 01:26:01 PM
i have installed ffdshow 3356_20100411_sse_icl11 using these codecs and "ms avi splitter" quartz.dll: 6.05.0001.0902 (test file contains divx3 and ac3)
Media Type regestry entry i have made identical. There where some difference but it's not meaningfull. Unfortunatly no success with reproducing the problem.

Does the problem occures on some files? Some avi files plays fine?
Could you upload one problem file somewhere, to make our test identical?

Also i've noticed that you use old one Video Splitter. Lets try with the latest.

http://www.solveigmm.com/download/SolveigMM_Video_Splitter.exe

It contains more detailed logs (Make log again with new version and upload the results. Don't forget to Tools ->Clear Logs" before starting new test.)


Could you also say what does happen when after "Render Media File" in graphedt you press the play button?
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: travolter on November 08, 2011, 11:52:36 PM
hi Stanislav!! Excuse me for the delay.

Finally I found the problem!!!

I have all my files into an external USB2 HD.. some avi files load ok and others not (freeze computer in the load process when the MS avi splitter is used).

I did the test. I moved some of these AVI files to my system HD and they work perfectly.
I did another test. I moved some of these AVI files to an external USB stick and the freeze appear again.

Edit.- http://club.myce.com/f34/avi-playback-dvd-freeze-mediaplayer-67943/
same problem here but this time reading from DVD. Moving files to main HD working OK. Windows 2k used (very close to XPsp1)

Im sorry for all possible headaches to the Solveig Team and the time lost finding a solution. Your program is working perfectly and my bug was not related to codecs/splitters/etc.

Anyway I wonder why some AVI files works and others not when they are readed from USB.

Do you have any solution for the USB driver? I was checking my mother board support and the USB2 drivers seems to be included in WindowsCD ... so there are no external downloads.... Maybe exist some third part USB2 windowsXP drivers? Maybe this AVI freeze bug reading from USB could be fixed with some registry key? or its a totally different problem?

Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: Stanislav Mikhailenko on November 09, 2011, 12:21:44 AM
hi travolter,

I suggest you to check you disk for  errors by standard tool rmb by disk ->Properties "Tools" tab "Check Now".

About USB drivers. Try to search drivers at website of your motherboard's manufacturer. There could be some updates versus drivers that ships on CD with motherboard.

Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: travolter on November 09, 2011, 12:53:02 AM
hi travolter,

I suggest you to check you disk for  errors by standard tool rmb by disk ->Properties "Tools" tab "Check Now".

About USB drivers. Try to search drivers at website of your motherboard's manufacturer. There could be some updates versus drivers that ships on CD with motherboard.

Not lucky installing the updated motherboard drivers.
Drives are all OK ( I tested 2 usb sticks and 3 external HDs).
This seem a hidden problem from M$ that solved silently in XPsp2

Thanks again for your support. Ill try to find a workaround to solve the problem.. but today is very common use external HDs to store movies.. I wonder what Ill do
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: travolter on November 10, 2011, 05:55:07 AM
sorry for more questions..

Its possible to disable the m$ splitter for avi files and use other one by default?
I try unregistering quartz.dll but then .. no video plays.
I install haali splitter with AVI support... but Im not able to force this splitter over M$ one. Also I tested changing merit with direcshow control panels to change merit of codecs/splitters unsucesfully.

My solution is stop using all AVI programs that rely on M$ AVI splitter by default, but "Solveigg video splitter" is so good to forget it ;/ there are no so good alternatives available. (avidemux/virtualdub.. but they are unfriendly in comparison for split tasks)
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: Stanislav Mikhailenko on November 10, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
sorry for more questions..

Its possible to disable the m$ splitter for avi files and use other one by default?
I try unregistering quartz.dll but then .. no video plays.
I install haali splitter with AVI support... but Im not able to force this splitter over M$ one. Also I tested changing merit with direcshow control panels to change merit of codecs/splitters unsucesfully.

My solution is stop using all AVI programs that rely on M$ AVI splitter by default, but "Solveigg video splitter" is so good to forget it ;/ there are no so good alternatives available. (avidemux/virtualdub.. but they are unfriendly in comparison for split tasks)

Unfortunatly there is no way for now to use alternative avi splitters in SolveigMM Video Splitter.

For other purposes changing merit for haali should work, you need "Haali Media Splitter (AR)". Also reboot computer after changing merit to take effect.

Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: travolter on November 11, 2011, 12:15:33 AM
Finally I found the problem:
I encoded a sample video at 250, 500, 750, 1000, 1250,1400, 1500 bitrates...

Using bitrate 1500 or higher the freeze appear... bitrates below 1500 are safe.
Im speaking about AVI files!!! .. I can play monster MP4 1080 movies with bitrates of 8000 or upper without problem through the USB


EDIT.-

I was measurin the HD speeds:

Main system HD 26 Mbytes/sec (avis with high bitrate work)
External USB HD 33 Mbytes/sec (Avis with high bitrate freeze)

So its not a problem about the data transfer speed or USBs running in 1.0/1.1 mode
Guys,, any clue?

in 2001 Divx movies were very popular.. maybe M$ added a antipiracy limitation in XPsp1 to avoid watching high bitrate Divx movies though external devices (CD/DVD/USB)? (remember that this problem is also present when playing video through CD or DVD
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: Dmitry Vergeles on November 15, 2011, 02:53:54 AM
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in 2001 Divx movies were very popular.. maybe M$ added a antipiracy limitation in XPsp1 to avoid watching high bitrate Divx movies though external devices (CD/DVD/USB)? (remember that this problem is also present when playing video through CD or DVD

LOL   ;D

Don't think so, why don't you upgrade your OS? Obviously you'll get more and more problems as MS ceased a support.
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: travolter on November 17, 2011, 03:53:55 PM
OK I confirmed that its not an antipiracy measure. I installed XPsp1 on other machine and the AVI files problem is gone.. so I suppose that my main computer have some kind of damaged hardware (some capacitor blew or similar). I was not able to solve the problem upgrading drivers/chipsets etc yet..

Sorry for the headaches caused by this post trying to find the problem.
Title: Re: XP SP1 and AVI files freeze
Post by: Dmitry Vergeles on November 17, 2011, 04:35:00 PM
OK I confirmed that its not an antipiracy measure. I installed XPsp1 on other machine and the AVI files problem is gone.. so I suppose that my main computer have some kind of damaged hardware (some capacitor blew or similar). I was not able to solve the problem upgrading drivers/chipsets etc yet..

Sorry for the headaches caused by this post trying to find the problem.

That's good to kown the problem has been settled!